nissan livina 實車觀後感.專為大陸開發之廉價車種..就是失望
0
#2
0
nissan livina好像真的只有中國和台灣有上市??!!
#3
0
 |
|  | |
| nissan livina好像真的只有中國和台灣有上市??!! | |||
 |  |
回應 woowoowoo (woowoowoo) 所寫沒有vvt的引擎油耗可以好去哪?
有哪一款車的運動版還在米色皮椅外加米色內裝ㄚ
根本就是懶得改沒誠意!
在台灣的livina包一層塑膠皮外加車頂裝飾用車架就叫做運動版嗎
台灣人都這麼沒有汽車知識嗎?
#4
0
nissan 沒有 vvt tech ..不過我知道你說 的確 沒配可變氣門 就不對 .. 和馬5 一樣
現在 連 swift 都能可變氣門 為何不出
因為要留 upgrade 空間
nissan 是 NCVT
mazda S-VT
toyota VVTi , dual VVTI , VVTLi
30 MIVEC
honda Ivtec
現代 ??
現在 連 swift 都能可變氣門 為何不出
因為要留 upgrade 空間
nissan 是 NCVT
mazda S-VT
toyota VVTi , dual VVTI , VVTLi
30 MIVEC
honda Ivtec
現代 ??
#5
0
|
| | |
當場一堆客人都在看TIDDA...這應該是繼BLUEBIRD LANCER2.0後 裕隆集團的在挫敗吧！ | |||
| |
大大應該是說繼 Bluebird Sylphy 2.0 後
#6
0
|
| | ||||||||||
大大應該是說繼 Bluebird Sylphy 2.0 後 | ||||||||||||
| |
是少一個逗號..那兩台車都賣的很悽慘
BLUEBIRD， LANCER2.0 這才對 ...感謝大大指正
#7
0
|
| | |
| nissan 沒有 vvt tech ..不過我知道你說 的確 沒配可變氣門 就不對 .. 和馬5 一樣 現在 連 swift 都能可變氣門 為何不出 因為要留 upgrade 空間 nissan 是 NCVT mazda S-VT toyota VVTi , dual VVTI , VVTLi 30 MIVEC honda Ivtec 現代 ?? | |||
| |
是X-CVT吧,大大好像筆誤了🙂
#8
0
nissan 是 NVCT 沒錯 是 nissan CVT 縮寫 ,
而 X-CVT 是nissan 自己的無段變速箱
現代是 CVVT
Ivtec VVTI . Vanos比較多人討論 , 網路一堆文章 討論 但是 對於 SVT MIVEC
和 vvti 差多少 我不太熟..我實在想知道 這麼多家 可便氣門 到底差多少 ..如同 我知道 Intel AMD
Via 都有自己 saving power 能力 有的叫 cool .. 但是 說穿都是省cpu 電
同樣 各家車廠都有可變器門 ..但是 不是 Ivtec 就完美 任何!東西都有優缺點
否則 不會同時活著 ..
還有 別老認為大陸車廉價 ..大陸車有多少 air Bag ?? 看看大陸 在來看台灣國產車
還是大家認為台灣人比較粗勇 ?
-----
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_Valve_Timing
Alfa Romeo Twin Spark - TS stands for "Twinspark" engine
BMW Valvetronic - Provides continuously variable lift for the intake valves; used in conjunction with Double VANOS.
BMW VANOS - Varies intake timing by rotating the camshaft in relation to the gear.
BMW Double VANOS - Continuously varies the timing of the intake and exhaust valves.
Ford Variable Cam Timing
DaimlerChrysler - Varies valve timing thought the use of concentric camshafts developed by Mechadyne enabling dual-independent inlet/exhaust valve adjustment on the 2008 Dodge Viper.
GM VVT - Varies valve timing continuously throughout the RPM range for both intake and exhaust for improved performance in both overhead valve and overhead cam engine applications.(See also Northstar System).
GM DCVCP (Double Continuous Variable Cam Phasing) - Varies timing with hydraulic vane type phaser (see also Ecotec LE5).
Holden Alloytec - Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams. Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams and exhaust cams (High Output Alloytec).
Honda VTEC - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Honda i-VTEC
Honda VTEC-E - Unlike most VTEC systems VTEC-E is not a cam switching system, instead it uses the VTEC mechanism to allow for a lean intake charge to be used by closing one intake valve under certain conditions.
Hyundai MPI CVVT - Varies power, torque, exhaust system, and engine response.
Kawasaki - Varies position of cam by changing oil pressure thereby advancing and retarding the valve timing, 2008 Concours 14.
Lexus VVT-iE - Continuously varies the intake camshaft timing using an electric actuator.
Mazda S-VT - Varies timing by rotating the camshaft.
Mitsubishi MIVEC - Varies valve timing, duration and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes. The 4B1 engine series uses a different variant of MIVEC which varies timing (phase) of both intake and exhaust camshafts continuously.
Nissan N-VCT - Varies the rotation of the cam(s) only, does not alter lift or duration of the valves.
Nissan VVL - Varies timing, duration, and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by using two different sets of cam lobes.
Nissan VVT introduced with the HR15DE HR16DE MR18DE MR20DE new engines in September 2004 on the Nissan Tiida and north american version named
Nissan Versa (in 2007); and finally the Nissan Sentra (in 2007).
Nissan VVEL introduced with the VQ37VHR Nissan_VQ_engine engine in 2007 on the Infiniti_G37.
Porsche VarioCam - Varies intake timing by adjusting tension of a cam chain.
Porsche VarioCam Plus .
Proton Campro CPS - Still under development, said to be based on Lotus technology which developed Porsche's VarioCam.
PSA Peugeot Citroen CVVT - Continuous variable valve timing.
Renault Clio 182, Clio Cup and Clio V6 Mk2 VVT - variable valve timing.
Rover VVC - Varies timing with an eccentric disc.
Suzuki - VVT - Suzuki M engine
Subaru AVCS - Varies timing (phase) with hydraulic pressure, used on turbocharged and six-cylinder Subaru engines.
Subaru AVLS - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes (similar to Honda VTEC). Used by non-turbocharged Subaru engines.
Toyota VVT - Toyota 4A-GE 20-Valve engine introduced VVT in the 1992 Corolla GT-versions.
Toyota VVT-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake camshaft, or both the intake and exhaust camshafts (depending on application).
Toyota VVTL-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake valves. Varies duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Volkswagen - VVT introduced with the 1.8T engine. The intake timing intentionally runs advanced and a retard point is calculated by the ECU. A hydraulic tensioner retards the intake timing.
Volvo - VVT
Yamaha - VCT (Variable Cam Timing)
Proton - VVT introduced in the Waja 1.8's F4P renault engine (toyota supplies the VVT to renault)
而 X-CVT 是nissan 自己的無段變速箱
現代是 CVVT
Ivtec VVTI . Vanos比較多人討論 , 網路一堆文章 討論 但是 對於 SVT MIVEC
和 vvti 差多少 我不太熟..我實在想知道 這麼多家 可便氣門 到底差多少 ..如同 我知道 Intel AMD
Via 都有自己 saving power 能力 有的叫 cool .. 但是 說穿都是省cpu 電
同樣 各家車廠都有可變器門 ..但是 不是 Ivtec 就完美 任何!東西都有優缺點
否則 不會同時活著 ..
還有 別老認為大陸車廉價 ..大陸車有多少 air Bag ?? 看看大陸 在來看台灣國產車
還是大家認為台灣人比較粗勇 ?
-----
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_Valve_Timing
Alfa Romeo Twin Spark - TS stands for "Twinspark" engine
BMW Valvetronic - Provides continuously variable lift for the intake valves; used in conjunction with Double VANOS.
BMW VANOS - Varies intake timing by rotating the camshaft in relation to the gear.
BMW Double VANOS - Continuously varies the timing of the intake and exhaust valves.
Ford Variable Cam Timing
DaimlerChrysler - Varies valve timing thought the use of concentric camshafts developed by Mechadyne enabling dual-independent inlet/exhaust valve adjustment on the 2008 Dodge Viper.
GM VVT - Varies valve timing continuously throughout the RPM range for both intake and exhaust for improved performance in both overhead valve and overhead cam engine applications.(See also Northstar System).
GM DCVCP (Double Continuous Variable Cam Phasing) - Varies timing with hydraulic vane type phaser (see also Ecotec LE5).
Holden Alloytec - Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams. Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams and exhaust cams (High Output Alloytec).
Honda VTEC - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Honda i-VTEC
Honda VTEC-E - Unlike most VTEC systems VTEC-E is not a cam switching system, instead it uses the VTEC mechanism to allow for a lean intake charge to be used by closing one intake valve under certain conditions.
Hyundai MPI CVVT - Varies power, torque, exhaust system, and engine response.
Kawasaki - Varies position of cam by changing oil pressure thereby advancing and retarding the valve timing, 2008 Concours 14.
Lexus VVT-iE - Continuously varies the intake camshaft timing using an electric actuator.
Mazda S-VT - Varies timing by rotating the camshaft.
Mitsubishi MIVEC - Varies valve timing, duration and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes. The 4B1 engine series uses a different variant of MIVEC which varies timing (phase) of both intake and exhaust camshafts continuously.
Nissan N-VCT - Varies the rotation of the cam(s) only, does not alter lift or duration of the valves.
Nissan VVL - Varies timing, duration, and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by using two different sets of cam lobes.
Nissan VVT introduced with the HR15DE HR16DE MR18DE MR20DE new engines in September 2004 on the Nissan Tiida and north american version named
Nissan Versa (in 2007); and finally the Nissan Sentra (in 2007).
Nissan VVEL introduced with the VQ37VHR Nissan_VQ_engine engine in 2007 on the Infiniti_G37.
Porsche VarioCam - Varies intake timing by adjusting tension of a cam chain.
Porsche VarioCam Plus .
Proton Campro CPS - Still under development, said to be based on Lotus technology which developed Porsche's VarioCam.
PSA Peugeot Citroen CVVT - Continuous variable valve timing.
Renault Clio 182, Clio Cup and Clio V6 Mk2 VVT - variable valve timing.
Rover VVC - Varies timing with an eccentric disc.
Suzuki - VVT - Suzuki M engine
Subaru AVCS - Varies timing (phase) with hydraulic pressure, used on turbocharged and six-cylinder Subaru engines.
Subaru AVLS - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes (similar to Honda VTEC). Used by non-turbocharged Subaru engines.
Toyota VVT - Toyota 4A-GE 20-Valve engine introduced VVT in the 1992 Corolla GT-versions.
Toyota VVT-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake camshaft, or both the intake and exhaust camshafts (depending on application).
Toyota VVTL-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake valves. Varies duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
Volkswagen - VVT introduced with the 1.8T engine. The intake timing intentionally runs advanced and a retard point is calculated by the ECU. A hydraulic tensioner retards the intake timing.
Volvo - VVT
Yamaha - VCT (Variable Cam Timing)
Proton - VVT introduced in the Waja 1.8's F4P renault engine (toyota supplies the VVT to renault)
#10
0
+ 1
#11
0
看了廣告也是蠻無言的
拿YARIS、WISH、CRV玩疊疊樂
顯然，他們對自己的車子沒信心，
以致於不是出現MARCH、(沒有MPV)、T-TRAIL
拿YARIS、WISH、CRV玩疊疊樂
顯然，他們對自己的車子沒信心，
以致於不是出現MARCH、(沒有MPV)、T-TRAIL
#12
0
VVT真的比較好嗎?
#13
0
於
2007/10/22 21:57:13
發文
其實在台灣買車.
許多人品牌是第一考量.
同樣情形.
TOYOTA VIOS
也是針對亞洲地區.
尤其是中國市場開發的.
還特地找布蘭妮來造勢.
還不賣的嚇嚇叫?
一個事實.
今天就是完全由大陸主導開發生產.
來台灣組裝的TOYOTA
賣的一樣比任何製造國車系原廠開發來台組裝的車.
會來的好.
而且是很好.
唉..............
許多人品牌是第一考量.
同樣情形.
TOYOTA VIOS
也是針對亞洲地區.
尤其是中國市場開發的.
還特地找布蘭妮來造勢.
還不賣的嚇嚇叫?
一個事實.
今天就是完全由大陸主導開發生產.
來台灣組裝的TOYOTA
賣的一樣比任何製造國車系原廠開發來台組裝的車.
會來的好.
而且是很好.
唉..............
#14
0
U-CAR的試車報告..
跟我的感受差不多
空間和冷氣出風口
後座椅的設計
都是敗筆...
跟我的感受差不多
空間和冷氣出風口
後座椅的設計
都是敗筆...
#15
0
VVT~?
粉了不起嗎~?
可變汽門在十幾年前的331就有了~
LIVINA 1.6的HR16DE與1.8的MR18DE都是有可變汽門的~
見識到了~為修理而修理~
粉了不起嗎~?
可變汽門在十幾年前的331就有了~
LIVINA 1.6的HR16DE與1.8的MR18DE都是有可變汽門的~
見識到了~為修理而修理~
#16
0
另外，依照試車及新車介紹的圖片看，似乎沒有後方擋風玻璃的雨刷。
不曉得是製造商認為不需要，或是降低成本的方法之一。
說實在，Nissan的幾款新車，外觀設計上滿不耐看的。
不過這是我個人的觀點。
不曉得是製造商認為不需要，或是降低成本的方法之一。
說實在，Nissan的幾款新車，外觀設計上滿不耐看的。
不過這是我個人的觀點。
#17
0
於
2007/10/24 10:19:00
發文
|
| | |
| U-CAR的試車報告.. 跟我的感受差不多 空間和冷氣出風口 後座椅的設計 都是敗筆... | |||
| |
http://roadtest.u-car.com.tw/roadtest-detail.asp?rid=354
....
儘管Livina後座椅放倒的過程算是輕鬆，但是座椅放倒後，卻無法和行李箱底板形成一個平整的空間，具高低落差的設計，在擺放長形物品時的便利度，將會受到些許影響。
....
你說的是這個嗎？
看看 wish / 馬五的後座放倒設計，再來看 Livina，突然有退了一大步的感覺....😩
#18
0
|
| | ||||||||||
http://roadtest.u-car.com.tw/roadtest-detail.asp?rid=354 .... 儘管Livina後座椅放倒的過程算是輕鬆，但是座椅放倒後，卻無法和行李箱底板形成一個平整的空間，具高低落差的設計，在擺放長形物品時的便利度，將會受到些許影響。 .... 你說的是這個嗎？ 看看 wish / 馬五的後座放倒設計，再來看 Livina，突然有退了一大步的感覺....😩 | ||||||||||||
| |
=====================
1.6版本的椅子不能前後滑動..椅背也不能調整角度..
幾乎是90度的角度..現場去坐坐就知道了..
挺直腰桿.超難坐的
1.8 就跟你說的差不多～～～
感覺上這車很多地方都跟不上時代
沒見到販售地區都是東南亞或是南非
NISSAN好東西都給用在歐洲和日本啦..
光是那陽春的內裝就讓我和我同事當場都拿TIDDA 來比
1.各個冷氣出風口都沒辦法獨立調整出風量..感覺很廉價
2.後座得膝部空間遠遠小於TIDDA..車子主要是要來載人..
行李箱搞那麼大作啥呀..為何不作成TIDDA 5 門或是NOTE的滑動座椅
3.後座椅背不能調整角度.非常的比直..
感覺上實在是為一台為大陸市場開發的廉價小車..
君不見歐洲這級距NISSAN都是用NOTE這型車來打市場..
台灣用的是次級的大陸車種.此車只有大陸或開發中國家有.
但是要價竟然跟1.6 TIDDA 相差沒多少..
整體感覺..真的和其他NISSAN一線的車比..差多了..
賣這個價位..難讓消費者掏出新台幣.
業代還要我們一直拿YARIS ，SWIFT來比空間.
可是你們現場就有1.6的4門精裝TIDDA 一比真是馬上優劣立判.
作進TIDDA內的感受和舒適性遠大於LIVINA 1.6...
當場一堆客人都在看TIDDA...這應該是繼BLUEBIRD LANCER2.0後
裕隆集團的在挫敗吧！
永遠盼不到 1.8 得BLUEBIRD ..1.6的5門TIDDA