有人知道Focus的Powershift維修的費用嗎?
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| 等待很久的Focus自排版總算要上市了，🙂 由於使用雙離合器變速箱，不知道會不會像VW的濕式DSG， 壞掉只能換新，且一顆逼近30萬元? 有人知道Focus的Powershift換一顆新的要多少錢嗎? 還有DSG每6萬公里換油保養費用也很高，Powershift呢? 😇 希望Ford的Powershift在維修保養上不要那麼貴啊!😰 | |||
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DSG一顆逼近30萬元??
要抹黑請先做功課...
Focus TDCi 的Bom cost不超過30萬台幣
福特已經很慘了,有必要這麼緊張嗎?
樹多有枯枝,人多有白癡
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對了...原來是打預防毒針
台灣七大車廠沒有一家推出DSG 自手排六速雙離合器的車種
所以非常擔心福特藉此鹹魚翻身
所以版主所屬廠牌也略所顧忌??
若因此所進行之抹黑......其心可誅ㄚ
若拿出誠意賣車給台灣人才是良性競爭ㄚ,也才是台灣人之福
台灣七大車廠沒有一家推出DSG 自手排六速雙離合器的車種
所以非常擔心福特藉此鹹魚翻身
所以版主所屬廠牌也略所顧忌??
若因此所進行之抹黑......其心可誅ㄚ
若拿出誠意賣車給台灣人才是良性競爭ㄚ,也才是台灣人之福
樹多有枯枝,人多有白癡
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2008/11/06 09:16:34
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| 對了...原來是打預防毒針 台灣七大車廠沒有一家推出DSG 自手排六速雙離合器的車種 所以非常擔心福特藉此鹹魚翻身 所以版主所屬廠牌也略所顧忌?? 若因此所進行之抹黑......其心可誅ㄚ 若拿出誠意賣車給台灣人才是良性競爭ㄚ,也才是台灣人之福 | |||
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PwoerShift好像是五檔的,我有沒有記錯?
anyway,福特算是國產車品牌中,最敢把新東西放進去的廠家,值得鼓勵.
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PwoerShift好像是五檔的,我有沒有記錯? anyway,福特算是國產車品牌中,最敢把新東西放進去的廠家,值得鼓勵. | ||||||||||||
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看十月號的雜誌說是6檔的
且內外軸離合器採同直徑設計，說是為了平衡負擔增加耐用度？...
不過耐不耐用、好不好用還是要等上市之後口碑出來才知道
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DSG一顆逼近30萬元?? 要抹黑請先做功課... Focus TDCi 的Bom cost不超過30萬台幣 福特已經很慘了,有必要這麼緊張嗎? | ||||||||||||
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大哥，我不是來抹黑的，請別冤枉我。
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請自行search網頁資料或到VW打聽一下，看看DSG的修理費用是多少。
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=286&t=308932&p=1&cache=0
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=286&t=434720
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樓主很有概念哦!
東西不是求新,求精密就好.
精密是用錢來換的,
一般通勤的基本使用者,是要考慮自身需求的.
比如最新的七速DSG,無法更換離合器片，因此VW將其使用壽命定為25萬公里左右
原以為VAG新的7速DSG的乾式設計
可以有效解決6速DSG濕式不耐用、問題多、還要用專用油的問題
結果七速DSG無法換離合器片,整顆當耗材........
25萬公里.歐美大陸五年就破這里程不難
(加拿大那台PRIUS平均一年跑16萬公里,三年就破四十萬)
東西不是求新,求精密就好.
精密是用錢來換的,
一般通勤的基本使用者,是要考慮自身需求的.
比如最新的七速DSG,無法更換離合器片，因此VW將其使用壽命定為25萬公里左右
原以為VAG新的7速DSG的乾式設計
可以有效解決6速DSG濕式不耐用、問題多、還要用專用油的問題
結果七速DSG無法換離合器片,整顆當耗材........
25萬公里.歐美大陸五年就破這里程不難
(加拿大那台PRIUS平均一年跑16萬公里,三年就破四十萬)
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2008/11/06 09:51:36
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PwoerShift好像是五檔的,我有沒有記錯? anyway,福特算是國產車品牌中,最敢把新東西放進去的廠家,值得鼓勵. | ||||||||||||
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就算只有五擋，也比其他車廠有誠意多了
現代的四速自排柴土，不是也賣的嚇嚇叫
車子本來就是需要保養維修的東西
買車前，先了解車輛零件維修費用，本來就是應該的
各廠牌間，保養費用也是有明顯差異
不要像有些人買了車以後，才在那邊嫌保養貴，嫌車子爛😌
你+壓力-身段x堅強/任性=??
換算之後你是否還記得真實的自己
去吧! 啟動沉寂已久的熱情 陪自己走一小段路
你會發現 真實的你 會跟你在一起 為真實的你而前進
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祝您生意興隆!
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| 等待很久的Focus自排版總算要上市了，🙂 由於使用雙離合器變速箱，不知道會不會像VW的濕式DSG， 壞掉只能換新，且一顆逼近30萬元? 有人知道Focus的Powershift換一顆新的要多少錢嗎? 還有DSG每6萬公里換油保養費用也很高，Powershift呢? 😇 希望Ford的Powershift在維修保養上不要那麼貴啊!😰 | |||
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同樓上 祝您生意興隆!
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11月 altis 2.0
會吸光 多少車主 ?
flh 該想想看
雖然 focus 和 altis 屬性不同
但是
我覺得 focus 自排柴油
還會被干擾到
應該 延到 1月 利用 過年前 換車潮 (如果還有)
會吸光 多少車主 ?
flh 該想想看
雖然 focus 和 altis 屬性不同
但是
我覺得 focus 自排柴油
還會被干擾到
應該 延到 1月 利用 過年前 換車潮 (如果還有)
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| 11月 altis 2.0 會吸光 多少車主 ? flh 該想想看 雖然 focus 和 altis 屬性不同 但是 我覺得 focus 自排柴油 還會被干擾到 應該 延到 1月 利用 過年前 換車潮 (如果還有) | |||
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業代是跟我說
應該是不會12月掛牌(改款的FOCUS)
因為到了隔年1月就算一年車了
車主也不會接受
另外自手排的柴油車應該是六檔
之前有文章說是 乾式離合器
我覺得還是等真正發表才可以確定吧
當初我也是考慮雙離合器維修很貴
所以才選擇了手排
雖然麻煩了點😩
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| 等待很久的Focus自排版總算要上市了，🙂 由於使用雙離合器變速箱，不知道會不會像VW的濕式DSG， 壞掉只能換新，且一顆逼近30萬元? 有人知道Focus的Powershift換一顆新的要多少錢嗎? 還有DSG每6萬公里換油保養費用也很高，Powershift呢? 😇 希望Ford的Powershift在維修保養上不要那麼貴啊!😰 | |||
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看網路流傳的FOUCS的小改配備表,這套變速箱好像標示75000...整顆換掉加工錢我想不會超過10萬
如果喜歡,不訪買現行的手排款,享受科技這東西,勢必要多花點代價,
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我也想知道Powershift維修的費用和耐用度
畢竟是新的東西
有很強烈的不信任感
畢竟是新的東西
有很強烈的不信任感
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現在車都還沒出誰會知道要多少
我比較擔心FORD的維修人員會不會修
等下越搞越遭
又被有心人士刻意炒作
那就真的...
😆
我比較擔心FORD的維修人員會不會修
等下越搞越遭
又被有心人士刻意炒作
那就真的...
😆
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剛看到一段Powershift的描述，對這棵新機絲稍覺安心了點，應該不會是Ford傳統的玻璃XX箱。
🙂
PowerShift is the result of a Ford-Getrag joint venture, a transmission that will be seen in Ford Motor Company products later in the decade. In gasoline applications, PowerShift promises a 12-percent fuel economy advantage over today’s four-speed automatic transmissions and provides capability to handle a whopping 332 lb-ft (450 nm) of torque in a compact package.
難怪新Focus汽油版的油耗也改進許多。😌
"A twin wet-clutch module replaces the traditional torque converter and operates using hydraulic actuation. This feature is similar to the clutch found on a typical manual transmission," said Ernie DeVincent, department manager for transmissions and drivelines in Ford Advanced Research and Engineering.
"However, manual transmissions or automated manual transmissions change gears by disengaging the clutch, which interrupts the flow of torque and can cause rough shifts," DeVincent said. "The PowerShift approach changes gears by power-shifting from one clutch to the other, giving smooth shift quality equal to a typical automatic transmission."
The PowerShift transmission uses a layshaft architecture, which also has more in common with manual transmissions than typical automatics, with gears arranged on two parallel shafts. Within the PowerShift transmission, one clutch connects to the odd gears (1, 3, 5), the other clutch to the even gears (2, 4, 6). The dual-clutch layshaft has better mechanical efficiency than conventional automatic transmissions by eliminating the torque converter and the drag losses of an open clutch. A typical four-speed FWD automatic transmission has approximately 68 percent mechanical efficiency (on the EPA fuel economy test), vs. 80 percent for a PowerShift transmission.
Combined with the Duratorq TDCi diesel, the PowerShift promises 5 percent better fuel economy than a conventional six-speed automatic transmission, and 6 percent better acceleration times.
Outstanding Diesel Powertrain
The PowerShift transmission makes an ideal partner for the Duratorq TDCi engine. Even efficient, lightweight turbochargers can induce a noticeable delay in torque rise on tip-in because of inertia – the so-called "turbo lag." A twin clutch transmission like the PowerShift offers an advantage because of its lower inertia compared with a typical torque converter, minimizing the effect of turbo lag. In addition, the diesel’s low-end torque will allow lower launch rpm, which results in a shorter duration of clutch slip at launch for quicker acceleration.
Diesel engines tend to have differently shaped horsepower and torque curves than gasoline engines, making it desirable to adjust the step size between transmission gears accordingly. Here again, the PowerShift transmission, like all layshaft-based transmissions, offers an advantage. Internal gear sets can be changed easily during development, allowing the efficiencies of common transmission architecture, while optimizing gear ratios for both engine types.
While the shifting is automatic, the PowerShift transmission on the Bronco concept also can be placed in manual mode, with sporty Formula 1-style shifting, using a pair of control paddles on the steering wheel.
聽說這棵Powershift沒有放油孔，免保養呢!
如是，則比DSG更贊了。😀
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PowerShift is the result of a Ford-Getrag joint venture, a transmission that will be seen in Ford Motor Company products later in the decade. In gasoline applications, PowerShift promises a 12-percent fuel economy advantage over today’s four-speed automatic transmissions and provides capability to handle a whopping 332 lb-ft (450 nm) of torque in a compact package.
難怪新Focus汽油版的油耗也改進許多。😌
"A twin wet-clutch module replaces the traditional torque converter and operates using hydraulic actuation. This feature is similar to the clutch found on a typical manual transmission," said Ernie DeVincent, department manager for transmissions and drivelines in Ford Advanced Research and Engineering.
"However, manual transmissions or automated manual transmissions change gears by disengaging the clutch, which interrupts the flow of torque and can cause rough shifts," DeVincent said. "The PowerShift approach changes gears by power-shifting from one clutch to the other, giving smooth shift quality equal to a typical automatic transmission."
The PowerShift transmission uses a layshaft architecture, which also has more in common with manual transmissions than typical automatics, with gears arranged on two parallel shafts. Within the PowerShift transmission, one clutch connects to the odd gears (1, 3, 5), the other clutch to the even gears (2, 4, 6). The dual-clutch layshaft has better mechanical efficiency than conventional automatic transmissions by eliminating the torque converter and the drag losses of an open clutch. A typical four-speed FWD automatic transmission has approximately 68 percent mechanical efficiency (on the EPA fuel economy test), vs. 80 percent for a PowerShift transmission.
Combined with the Duratorq TDCi diesel, the PowerShift promises 5 percent better fuel economy than a conventional six-speed automatic transmission, and 6 percent better acceleration times.
Outstanding Diesel Powertrain
The PowerShift transmission makes an ideal partner for the Duratorq TDCi engine. Even efficient, lightweight turbochargers can induce a noticeable delay in torque rise on tip-in because of inertia – the so-called "turbo lag." A twin clutch transmission like the PowerShift offers an advantage because of its lower inertia compared with a typical torque converter, minimizing the effect of turbo lag. In addition, the diesel’s low-end torque will allow lower launch rpm, which results in a shorter duration of clutch slip at launch for quicker acceleration.
Diesel engines tend to have differently shaped horsepower and torque curves than gasoline engines, making it desirable to adjust the step size between transmission gears accordingly. Here again, the PowerShift transmission, like all layshaft-based transmissions, offers an advantage. Internal gear sets can be changed easily during development, allowing the efficiencies of common transmission architecture, while optimizing gear ratios for both engine types.
While the shifting is automatic, the PowerShift transmission on the Bronco concept also can be placed in manual mode, with sporty Formula 1-style shifting, using a pair of control paddles on the steering wheel.
聽說這棵Powershift沒有放油孔，免保養呢!
如是，則比DSG更贊了。😀
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答案揭曉，原廠建議六萬公里換油，
FLH說台灣路況最好三萬公里換油，
口去!扣分啦!😡
要不然這個Focus的車頭是蠻帥的咧!😍
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答案揭曉，原廠建議六萬公里換油， FLH說台灣路況最好三萬公里換油， 口去!扣分啦!😡 要不然這個Focus的車頭是蠻帥的咧!😍 | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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原廠也說會將成本壓到根一般自排車般
希望別食言
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| 對了...原來是打預防毒針 台灣七大車廠沒有一家推出DSG 自手排六速雙離合器的車種 所以非常擔心福特藉此鹹魚翻身 所以版主所屬廠牌也略所顧忌?? 若因此所進行之抹黑......其心可誅ㄚ 若拿出誠意賣車給台灣人才是良性競爭ㄚ,也才是台灣人之福 | |||
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贊同+1+順心+快樂+....
由於使用雙離合器變速箱，不知道會不會像VW的濕式DSG，
壞掉只能換新，且一顆逼近30萬元?
有人知道Focus的Powershift換一顆新的要多少錢嗎?
還有DSG每6萬公里換油保養費用也很高，Powershift呢?
😇
希望Ford的Powershift在維修保養上不要那麼貴啊!😰